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Amber>>hello
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Hope>>Hello Tricia
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Faith>>hi tricia..
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>hello all.
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Amber>>Grace
has a conflict so will be looking at
the archive I post tonight and then sending some input later through discussions
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Faith>>ok
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Hope>>okay
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Faith>>do we need to change our time?
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Amber>>Let's get some business issues out of the way
first
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>sounds like a good plan.
i see there were a number of posts to the discussion board today.
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Hope>>I posted a few things...
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Hope>>trying to catch up...
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Amber>>Grace has a conflict with Tuesdays at this
time and Hope (or Hope have you fixed the problem--Hope is using a computer
lab in a parking garage
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Faith>>do we need to change days?
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Faith>>or just the time?
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Faith>>i'm flexible
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Amber>>so I wanted to know what days and times might
be better for folks (if possible) we have a bye...
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>looks like i may need to run upstairs to get
my calendar. be back in a flash..
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Hope>>I am open for days and nights, except
for 1:30 - 6:00 p.m. on Tuesday...I have another class
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Amber>>week next week so we have some time to figure
it out but I want to make things avaiable to all
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Faith>>i can't do mon or thurs evenings
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>i'm back.
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Faith>>can do anytime during the day on tues or
wed
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Amber>>OK I will look this over and send out an
email of possible times and we will go from there
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Amber>>so...
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>my schedule is pretty tight.
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Amber>>how were the readings--general comments
insights...
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Amber>>Patricia you ran fast
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>i see that thurs. does not work for faith,
but tues and thurs (after 8:00)are best for me...now on to the readings.
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Amber>>tell us what times and we will work things
out--or may have to stick with this time and figure something else out
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Faith>>the wisconsin resource guide was very
informative..
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Hope>>from what I read, the readings are
straight forward. Glad to know
there are guides and laws
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Amber>>what did you find interesting from Penny
Reeds guide?
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Patricia Kathrine--Ryan>>my
initial reaction to the wati. org site was "gosh this font is big".
then i considered individuals with visual impairments.
however, the site is not bobby approved, so aesthetic design should be
considered. next comment will be
about content.
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Faith>>i reacted the same to the font..
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Faith>>was relieved when the pdf file wasn't in
24 font..
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Amber>>Interesting--Penny
is one of the top in this area--also one of the initial people for the Bobby
site input
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Hope>>I don't mind the large font...I just
don't like it when you print ... it gets cut off.
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>faith, some of it is...the site offers
ready to use, practical assessment for easy use.
sorry Amber, point me to the penny reference, please.
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Amber>>we will get to some of the other approval
ratings and assessment sites--Bobby actaully doesn't meet all the new reg's as
well YET
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Amber>>1.
Reed, P. (March, 2001) Resource guide for teachers and administrators
about assistive technology.
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Faith>>does maryland have an AT guide?
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Hope>>I think it is good that because of so
many requests that they took the initiative to create a guide...a building block
for other states
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Hope>>Also having consultants to work with
the schools is a benefit
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Hope>>and conducting training sessions...do
you know if they follow-up with the trainees after the training ???
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Hope>>I am always open for improvements...
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Amber>>each of the county's do--the state has some
guidelines --most can be found (we will visit the websites and resources) on
mdk12 site or the state main site searching for COMAR
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Amber>>Hope--what type of follow ups would be good
do you think?
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Faith>>i felt like all of the readings
reinforced the idea that AT should be available to all students (general
comment)
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Patricia Kathrine--Ryan>> i agree with
faith. the student
handbook offers multiple suggestions to assist students in the general
classroom.
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Patricia Kathrine--Ryan>> i found it interesting
that penny reed informs the reader of devices that can be used for "daily
living." for example...
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Patricia Kathrine--Ryan>> she has conducted
extensive research on what functions each of the devices serve, and created a
matrix with prices to be used as a guide for those considering purchasing AT.
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Patricia Kathrine--Ryan>> nobody replied to my
request..does that mean my messages cannot be seen?
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Amber>>Great--this was the idea
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Hope>>possibly in class
observations...questions to answer from the teachers...interviews with the
children...
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Amber>>with the first reading Reed--she talks about
types of AT--and then goes on...
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Hope>>reinforce what was taught in the
classes
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Amber>>and explains examples of each
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Amber>>what AT have used and why? how?
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Amber>>I meant...what AT have you used
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Patricia Kathrine--Ryan>> i've built websites, and
guided students through the process of providing a text transcript of a video/
audio clip uploaded to the web. i guess that's more universal design and web
accessibility than AT
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Hope>>I read that student that have trouble
writing notes...can copy and paste information from the computer for their notes
and paper...instead of having to hand write or copy what was typed... I have
used this similar method in my classes and for work.
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Hope>>Tricia I can read you
messages...sorry I was answering Dr. Pruitt-Mentle's questions....
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Faith>>i' haven't used any of the higher AT -
but our research group is trying to have "speech bubbles" (audio text)
in the ICDL
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Amber>>I likw to use the pens with the big fat
rubber ends--I really never thought about them being AT before I was introduced
to AT
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Amber>>I think all of us have used spell check and
templates? correct?
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Faith>>right..never thought of spell check or
cut and past as AT
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Patricia Kathrine--Ryan>> yes the thesaurus is an
excellent AT for all
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Amber>>tell us more about the speech bubbles--this
sounds interesting--I love the "term"
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Hope>>I didn't think the pens were AT until
now...I use them too because my right hand has problems from my car accident
too... the selling tool is for
ergonomic reasons
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Hope>>spell check...HOOOORRAYYY - I don't
know what i would do with out it...templates and wizards are great too!
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Amber>>Correct
Hope--many things are
"designed" with a "higher purpose and then others like and it
hits the general market
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Amber>>same thin with Velcro that NASA designed--now
its hard for me to find shoes for my kids that tie
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Hope>>my new computer at work has speech
recognition capabilities...I have not used it because I do not have a microphone
attached to the computer...
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Amber>>Patricia--what did you find intersting? from
Reeds paper?
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Hope>>I am spoiled too by velcro
shoes...and zippers too...I don't know how Lorenzo is going to learn to tie a
shoe...
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Hope>>would you consider all ergonomic
products AT???
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Hope>>that is great that it will transfer
into everyone's daily life...I hope that it teaches that a lot of other things
can be transferred too...
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Amber>>so if you were teaching in a classroom and
one of your students had poor eye sight--what strategies would you or could you
use?
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Patricia Kathrine--Ryan>> i've been in that
situation ( a student with poor eyesight).
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student actually knew what he needed to do to improve his learning experience.
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Patricia Kathrine--Ryan>> he sat near the front of
the classroom. and i increased font on all presentations.
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Patricia Kathrine--Ryan>> furthermore, he shared
his "workarounds" with the rest of the class, and his ideas fit well
within the scope of our class. please confirm again..that this is viewable by
all.
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Hope>>one could be to use a larger computer
screen or even the speech recognition so that they do not have to read, but
rather listen
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Amber>>I am not sure if ALL I can not really see the
connection with the beds that move up and down with the classroom--but I guess
they could still be considered AT perhaps not AT for classroom use
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Amber>>3.
what did you think about the lesson plans ideas readings? with Project
MEET overview showcase proceedings
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Hope>>I guess for patients that are bed
ridden...would be good to use to get closer to the screen or other devices,
including a table
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Faith>>i didn't think the lesson plans were that
detailed.. i expected more..
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Hope>>I liked how they were organized
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Hope>>they have goals...tasks...what to
use...competencies...support... team members and who to contact if further
assistance is needed
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Amber>>true--in the beginning I ws looking for the
"rest of the lesson"--but then I figured out what the topic and site
was trying to detail was lgeneral lesson plans that meet specific content
standards--and then suggestions as to modifications for special populations
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Hope>>tricia...your messages appear on my
screen...
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Amber>>Hope is Patricia sending messages?
I do not see them
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Faith>>right.. tricia is doing private messaging
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Hope>>Yes...I am reading her messages...
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Hope>>how can she turn off the private
option??
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Faith>>not sure..
Amber.. you aren't seeing
anything form tricia?
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Amber>>I
see she exited out--and now is back
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Hope>>tricia - send a message to see if
everyone can see it
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>alright friends.
yes, i was responding to all comments/ questions.
i saved a transcript of my posts. [inserted
in discussion above]
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>somebody sent a url to me, and after that i
was sending private messages somehow. my bad.
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Hope>>Dr. Pruitt-Mentle sent the URL so we
could see Reed's guide
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Amber>>well that is a new one--always something
different!
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>i kept asking if you could read the
messages. hope was a sport.
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>should i copy and paste some of my
responses..i think not. we can continue where we left off.
Amber, i'll share my posts with you via email.
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Amber>>so... we were talking about the lesson plan
activites--did everyone find the examples of modifications helpful? intersting?
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Amber>>I thought this might give you ideas as we
move down the road in the semester and try to create our own
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Faith>>that's a good idea...
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>yes, the ideas were most helpful.
the resource creates a new way of thinking for me.
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Faith>>i'd be interested in observing a class
that models them in the field..
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>oh faith, me too.
i thought about doing that for my project/ paper.
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Amber>>I think the private messages show up on the
transcript anyway--but we will know for saure when I post them--no problem
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Faith>>might be a useful thing for us all to
do..
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>does anyone know if francis fuchs special
center in college park (pg county) uses much at?
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Faith>>i'm not familiar..
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>it's an early childhood center.
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>otherwise, i may tap into marcy kaplan in
baltimore to check out practical uses of AT.
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Hope>>I have heard of the center, but I do
not know their programs...
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Amber>>so what are some ideas as what you (or
suggestions you might give to ANY teacher) who has students that don't have
great vision?
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Faith>>auditory text...
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Amber>>Marcy will hopefully be talking with us
online later in the semester
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Hope>>as suggested, sit up front and have
the teacher use typed texted rather than hand writing on the black board...and
even pass out the presentations to be read at a later time
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Amber>>They also have resources here on campus--they
come out of the main library
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Hope>>the presentations could even be
passed out prior to the class so that the student could read it at home and then
write down questions or comments to discuss in class
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>i was responding to vision in another sense.
in other words the teachers do not have a vision for how at can be used.
now the true answer: i agree
with faith--audio segments for students with visual impairments.
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>set up a mentor system---have a peer read
text to student.
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Amber>>So
Hope--larger font--perhaps even with
tests etc... or documents (how many times has a teacher try to use 9-10 font to
reduce the xerox coping down?
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Hope>>mentoring system and audio text would
be helpful too
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Faith>>or... glasses??
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>read aloud books!
a student audio records text, for student to "read" books.
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Amber>>I have actually been a couple schools
(worked) where teachers were asked to tape their lectures on particular days...
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Hope>>I have done that too to create a
one-page document, but when they know a student needs larger text...I think they
should accommodate the student
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Faith>>that's a feature we are developing with
the international children digital's library..
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Faith>>along with audio translations in
different languages..
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Amber>>other times students took notes and the
teacher made copies to share with the other student...
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Hope>>plus having the documents on the
computer would not take a lot to change fonts...to have two or three versions of
the same thing
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>interesting.
international children's library is meeting all kinds of standards..isn't
it?
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Hope>>in different languages would help
reinforce the material
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>another suggestion:
put content on the web, so parents have round the clock access to
materials to provide more support at home.
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Hope>>I like tricia's suggestion
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Amber>>all of us know to ask then to move to the
front of the class--what surprises me is that although teachers do that they
still use overheads (yes even today) and PP and have such small font that most
of the class can not see
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Hope>>I think teachers fall back on what is
comfortable or what is available...some see using a computer as a burden
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Amber>>Patricia--yes and then you have the ability
to increase the size etc...
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>i have a student with a disability in my
class right now. she seems to be functioning just fine. she has 3 fingers on either hand. i plan to have a conference with her.
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>there's a lot of quick computer work in my
classes, and i hope i'm going at a pace that is appropriate for her.
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Faith>>what do you teach?
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>instructional technology courses-
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Faith>>college - level?
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>yes. towson university.
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Faith>>are there AT standards for universities?
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Faith>>does umd have a plan?
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>council for exceptional children standards
is what i use.
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Amber>>another
reading focused on extending knowledge to students (the Hey! can I try
that) do you think this is a good idea? or will or would it lead to more
problems that it is worth?
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>i'll check into umd plan.
i'm interested. now to the hey i can try that reading.
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Hope>>I liked how it points out the
problems and offers solutions
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Hope>>and self analysis...I started filling
it out and it helped me determine goals to meet
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Amber>>AT standards for everyone--at least any one
that receives federal funding..so to answer your question yes
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Amber>>we met last year in the ITAC council meeting
and came up with some ideas as to how to best "get the word out"--many
are on the website...
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Faith>>the surveys seemed helpful.. but i think
a lot of students would then qualify for AT based ontheir answers..
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Amber>>in addition, the websites are slowly updating
their sites (including ETO) to make them meet the regulations
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Faith>>not that i think that's a bad thing..
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>i like that the 'hey i can try that' offers
scenarios. i think presenting a
possible situation makes it easy for people to "relate to."
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Amber>>Faith--yes that is what I ws
thinking--although it would help some might take advantage and use as an excuse
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Hope>>Faith - may be it would put a new
view point for the student's that do not need AT, but have more of a compassion
for those who do...
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>for example, pat's new goal on page 18.
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Amber>>Patricia-yes--I agree
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Faith>>right - it brings the topic into the
classroom..
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Amber>>so...
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Faith>>addresses issues that many of the
students could be facing..
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Hope>>I agree
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Hope>>because some students may not even
know they need assistance
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Amber>>all of use agree (I think) that AT can be
used for a variety of settings and that we all as general educators are not
aware of some of the "basics"
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Faith>>exactly
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Faith>>and their teachers might not know either
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Amber>>not to mention the more "high tech"
AT devices...
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>nice summary Amber.
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Faith>>some kids might even have viewed AT
devices as "cheating"
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>..or teachers..or principals.
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Amber>>Ah--interesting
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Faith>>is this a big contraversy?
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Hope>>I can see that view point
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Amber>>but how would you advise the administration
or school sytem or COE department to let ALL educators know about this?
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Faith>>when i was student teaching i remember
controversies over spell check..
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Faith>>(in the english language arts classroom)
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>well, i know there were incidences of
cheating using personal digital assistants.
pda can certainly fit under this broad spectrum of AT devices that we
have mentioned this evening.
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Amber>>Faith--perhaps a while back--but right now
with the NCLB mandate--anything that can help ANY student improve the stats for
a school is GREAT to everyone right now
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Faith>>this is a good thing..
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>in response to your question: how can we let
coe know about AT for general classroom. Publish!
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Amber>>but something that needs to be included in
the general educators knowledge base--cyberethical issues related to AT
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Amber>>sounds like a good journal article
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>absolutely.
and even just ethical issues. i
was reading the book, 'assistive technology' and it discussed the special
studnets desire to want to use attractive devices.
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Hope>>classes for the educators...follow-up
sessions...
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Hope>>publishing would be good, but how can
you be assured the teachers will read it???
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Amber>>Ok think about the "final question"
that being--how do we let teachers know about the use of AT--without adding
another additional course or requirement
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>publish, and present articles at
conferences.
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Hope>>email
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Faith>>lead by example
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Amber>>in addition I would like to have someone
volunteer to lead the next chat discussion (week after next)..any volu
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Hope>>a note in their mail boxes that they
have to sign an acknowledgement form that they read and understood it.
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>my last response was to hope. inform
teachers: bring food after school
and have an informal demonstration
and follow up wiht online chats.
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Amber>>Hope--I was saying that it sounds like
aninteresting research project for a graduate student to look into and publish
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Faith>>good idea
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>let me take a look at topics for next week.
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Hope>>okay
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Amber>>Ok and then someone can take the lead on the
chat--we will decide via email
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Hope>>ok
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Amber>>I hope everyone enjoyed the readings and that
it opened some new ways of thinking...
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Hope>>yes it did...
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>sounds good.
i'd like to see topics for the upcoming weeks before committing.
some time to reflect would be great.
thanks. hope i have one
question for you before we quit.
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Faith>>look forward to the discusion posts
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Hope>>I am ready...
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Amber>>so as we go deeper at times into some more
specific AT devices we can always think back..."could this also
help...."
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>i've already started my scavenger hunt.
its almost ready for posting.
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>got it amber.
i'll focus on specific AT devices.
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>if it's a "wrap"
i'd like to ask hope a question on the side..ok with you amber?
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Amber>>Patricia--not sure what you mean?
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Faith>>night all..
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>amber, you said we will talk about more
specific at devices that can be used to help in other possible ways..i'll
consider that for upcoming chats.
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Amber>>as to i will focus on specific AT
devices--you do not have to do this it can be general AT devices, tools,
software and or strategies
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>ok.
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Hope>>good night everyone...I will stay
on-line for your question Tricia...
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Amber>>probably a week or two for that
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Amber>>good night
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>by faith.
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