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Patricia--Kathrine--Ryan entered
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Time:Tue Oct 7 20:32:47 2003
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>hi. i'm
here:)
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Amber>>Hello Tricia and
Hope
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Hope>>Hi again everyone!
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Amber>>how far did everyone get in the
materials? readings?
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Hope>>I have only glanced at the current readings
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Faith>>i got through about half..
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Faith>>myths, class notes, etc
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>i was able to review the content to respond
to the discussion prompts today and i printed copies of the myths documents.
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Amber>>was anyone able to get to the
products PP presentation
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Faith>>glanced at it
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Hope>>unfortunately not I
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>would it be a good idea to open the ppt now?
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Amber>>does everyone have that ability?
to view the PP presentation?
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Faith>>yes
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*+**** Hope- entered Room1. Time:Tue
Oct 7 20:36:11 2003
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>sure, i do. how about a quick direct link,
to save some time?
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Amber>>Hope?
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>Hope, i see you as being logged in twice.
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Hope>>I was linking to the
PPT...I think I lost the
connection...I am I visible now?
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>yes
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Hope>>did I miss anything?
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Amber>>No I am trying to send you to the
PP
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>i'm opening the categories ppt, correct?
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Faith>>are we looking at
AAC?
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Amber>>but it might be easier to send
you to the readings and have you take about 10-15 minutes to view the ...
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Amber>>first pasrt of the PP Products
presentation
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Amber>>is everyone up for that?
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Faith>>sure
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Hope>>okay
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>i'd like a few minutes to review materials.
good idea, Amber. i just
want to be sure i'm looking at the right ppt.
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Amber>>OK everyone take a peek there are
links within video clips etc...
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>PP products, AAC--please specify what is
meant by these. thanks.
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Amber>>you will not be able to view alot
but I want to get feedback as to if this is a good overview products method
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Amber>>lets meet back in ~10 minutes
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Faith>>are we talking about the augmentative and
alternative communications powerpoint?
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Amber>>in the readins section click on
the Products link which will take you to a powerpoint presentation
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>thanks for typing out the words, Faith.
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Faith>>thats what i get when i click on
'products' in the class notes section
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Faith>>just want to double check -
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Faith>>is that the one,
Amber?
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Amber>>yes :-)
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Faith>>great
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>AAC---I'm with you.
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Amber>>sending URL didn't work too long
an address
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>it's ok.
i'm in the slideshow.
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>great presentation of content, Amber.
now i'm getting back to it.
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Amber>>some of the items (demo) you
might have to download--the video clip is compressed but should be
"viewable"
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Hope>>it's a great presentation...especially with the
links to learn more about the product
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Amber>>Hope you were interested in the
Alpha Smart I hope you can find more here
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Hope>>yes...I am very interested in the Alpha Smart.
I think this would be a great tool to use out in the field during our
evaluations.
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Amber>>tell me about the
evalautions?
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Amber>>why not a PDA?
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Hope>>we respond to emergencies or
compliants...or even
ergonomic evaluations
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Amber>>wouldn't the PDA's be easier to
carry?
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Hope>>so it would be a great tool to gather the
information and store it in our database; saving time to transcribe handwritten
notes
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Amber>>the Alpha Smarts are pretty bulky
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Hope>>come to think of it yes...
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Faith>>do they still use alpha smarts in
classrooms today?
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Hope>>I think I was drawn to it because it hooks up to
the computer. I need to look into
PDAs and may be change my paper topic
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Faith>>or was it just in the late 90s?
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Amber>>I could see how the PDA's might
be harder for folks with coordination or hand difficulty
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Amber>>alphs are used a lot in elem
schools since the key board is so big it helps out
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>jumping into your conversation, sometimes
people use what is most comfortable for them. i still prefer my laptop to my pda
for taking notes in class.
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Amber>>Faith--I know of many schools
in PG howard AA DCPS that use them
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Hope>>I worry too about memory and power...for data
loss
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Faith>>instead of pdas or in addition to?
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Amber>>still today (Langley Park elem
school as late as last week I saw them out and about
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>..and the kids probably love to use them.
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Amber>>the alpha Smarts or PDA's
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Hope>>Tricia...I thought the same thing...the children
would love to type
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>both, but i was responding to alpha smarts.
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Amber>>what I am talking about is that
the Alphas are still being used today
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Hope>>and see the results on the screen
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>right.
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Amber>>mainly because of cost--they
already have them
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Faith>>Amber - do just the kids with documented
disabilities use the alphas?
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Amber>>they are pretty hardy as well
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Faith>>or are they available to all?
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Amber>>you can drop etc... and they keep
on clicking
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>yes, i was also considering their
durability.
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Hope>>do the programs need to be updated to keep up
with the computers they hook up to?
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Amber>>Faith these are used for the general population
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Faith>>thats great
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Amber>>they use in class and then come
to the computer lab
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>the computers in the classrooms may come
from the same generation as the alpha smarts, i'm sorry to say.
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Amber>>"beam over" and print
out
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Hope>>I forgot...Thanks for the reminder Tricia
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Amber>>tricia explain
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>Amber, can you please talk briefly about
your experience in the classrooms. are
you typically an observer?
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>with respect to the computers in the
classroom. i was responding to Hope
who said the programs may need to be updated. i think she got it.
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Amber>>with some of our grants and PD
programs yes
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>PD programs in PDS schools?
and specifically AT or ED. Tech, also?
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Amber>>other times I follow up on our PD
model to find out if the outcomes after taking courses like these are actually
producing changes in the instructional practice
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Amber>>at LP ele and others that feed
into that cluster I work with students in after school or during lunch informal
computer or homework computer clubs
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>do you see that the schools are implementing
the tech changes in the school plans, specifically for special needs?
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Faith>>are you employed by the district?
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Amber>>most of my work is with
technology instructional technology not AT
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Hope>>do you see that the teachers want to learn about
the changes and the equipment?
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Amber>>by the district no
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>we're very interested in your work, Amber.
as you can see.
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Amber>>in some cases it is part of our
evaluation plan esp with the Minority and Urban Institute (bladensburg
project--not just Blandensburg
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Amber>>in other cases it just the PD
model I have developed for the ETO program that we have always utilized
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>do many schools participate in the PD model?
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Amber>>Hope--if the program is a ...
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Amber>>one day or 2 week session they
might want to but I rarely see to much of a difference
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Amber>>when they have taken courses over
an extened period of time related their work, papers activites to classes and
know I will be coming back YES
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Hope>>thanks...if I were a teacher...I would want to
keep up with this information... and even now as a parent I want to keep up with
it
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*-**** Hope left Room1. Time:Tue Oct
7 21:08:52 2003
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>Amber, you're doing a lot of typing.
sorry.
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Amber>>Hope how true it is so hard and
so much for even an educated parent to keep track and up to date on
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>Hope, what grade is your child in?
what county/ district?
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Amber>>a side topic but if of interest
OK
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Amber>>relating back to the AT...
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Hope>>Lorenzo is in kindergarten
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Faith>>Tricia are you a parent as well?
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>correct.
two children in catholic school.
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Amber>>tell me a little about your
thoughts on some of the common myths you read up on
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>kindergarten and grade 2.
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Faith>>i think the biggest myth is the cost
factor
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Hope>>that it is the cure for all disabilities
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Faith>>the whole 80/20 ratio
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Amber>>Faith--you seem to be the only
one without kids--I guess observing classrooms oer extended periods of time will
count :-)
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Hope>>I agree with
Faith
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>one myth is also contained in your ppt...yes, complicated and expensive. not
so..AT can be low tech and low cost.
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Faith>>and that most of it is low tech and low
cost..
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Amber>>but why do you think everyone
equates AT with $$$$$
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>Myth: product
descriptions are accurate. an
evaluation of the AT must be conducted.
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Hope>>to those who have disabilities...some of the cost
seems moot if it helps them function
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Amber>>Hope--great point
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Hope>>because it is new...or they do not know about it
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>yes, Hope.
profound statement about cost being relative to functionality.
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Amber>>I think another that isn't really
mentioned directly is that most of the products fall under "traditional non
AT" uses as well
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Hope>>and some people are using tools that that were
originally designed for handicap and they don't really know it
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Hope>>for example, a fat pen or pencil
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>i think it may be that people outside of the
field think AT is expensive. but if
you go into a special contained classroom, their making use of all kinds of low
tech devices to improve learning for their students.
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Amber>>therefore perhaps folks do not
consider them to be AT just Technology and what folks consider to be AT are the
highly different products--just my idea
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Hope>>or if you have to supply it for the population
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>yes, Amber.
i agree. there seems to be a
misconception about AT.
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Faith>>so many teachers know nothing about it
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Faith>>as in the josh scenario
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>another myth....
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Amber>>I think there will be changes
over time that are starting to take place now
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Hope>>it seems that to lower cost on the high-tech
items...that there has to be a bigger demand and competition producting
them...and also if the products are "popular" then more people want
them
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Faith>>i still can't believe he didn't have an
iep
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Hope>>yes that was surprising
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Amber>>Faith--many still do not even
today
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Amber>>depends on school systems but
more so on the school itself as to how strong the educators are in following up
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>about josh...it's sad his family was
uninformed. myth:
AT users need to be evaluated only once.
needs change over time. ongoing
assessment is critical.
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Amber>>and the fact that most general
teachers do not feel that this is their responsibility or territory or that they
have the expertise--I am not sure...
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Hope>>so what happens to them when they leave public
school...go off to college...do they know about programs to help them?
or do they just suffer through like they did in grade school?
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>there are disability offices in colleges.
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Amber>>all I know is that MANY general
teachers are not knowlegable about this entire are
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Hope>>it took me over 13 years to find it
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>to find what, Hope?
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Hope>>the disability office.
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Amber>>I hope the background you had in
the being of the course showed how important this really is
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Amber>>Tricia so true things change so
fast esp for elem and middle school stsudents
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>yes, this information is so critical that we
need a 2nd course in it..Amber..are you up for it?
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Hope>>yes, it has given me a broader open mind and
endless possibilities
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Amber>>there changes behavioral and
learning etc.. change in "spurts"
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Hope>>is this class or similar classes required for the
"education" degree here at UM?
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Amber>>Hope tell us about what the
colleges have had to help?
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Amber>>here or other campuses?
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Hope>>do you mean me?
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Patricia Kathrine--Ryan>>i'll
respond to Hope's question about education degree.
AT is a part of the tech. integration course for all education majors at
towson. for those student majoring
in special education, an assistive technology course & a tech. integration
course are required. in fact, marcye kaplan teaches the AT course for us.
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Amber>>HA HA--they can barely fit tech
into it--but all will be excited that we do have a technology certificate
program being approved and this will be one of the courses
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Amber>>someone said it took them 13
years to find something disability office who was that?
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>it was Hope.
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Amber>>Tricia when did Marcye start the
course
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Hope>>why is it only for special ed and AT
teachers...especially if other teachers need to deal with students with special
needs
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>fyi...i get a 'documented disability' notice
for at least one student every semester. i think she started this semester.
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Faith>>what is her disability?
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Faith>>do they also provide you with the
IEP?
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>the classroom teachers get an AT component
in their tech. integration course. it's
there, believe me.
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Amber>>tricia interesting...I am sure
she is not using it but she has this syllabus as we were going to run it through
BC...interesting
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>i can show documentation in the form of
online student portfolios.
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>What's BC?
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Hope>>do doctors help?? do they tell the student to
seek help at school or acommodations?
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Amber>>Batlimre County schools
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Amber>>good question
Hope
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>ah..yes.
she may be doing that also. this
particular AT course is for undergrads in the dual major: sped and ELED.
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Amber>>and another question is where do
they send the students for help?
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>Hope...many students have documented
disabilites and request to take exams in the disability office---more time and
no distractions in that environment.
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Amber>>do they have to follow up on
their own or do they help them walk through the process ?
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>i explain they are welcome to go there, but
i like to have them close by in case they need my help. they usually opt to stay
with me.
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Hope>>so does that put up a red flag that they need an
IEP?
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Amber>>Ok ...
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Hope>>or do the students don't want the label of being
different?
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Amber>>so we need a little more time to
review the materials since the flip
flop of Friday Tuesday was a snag
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>no, they don't seem to mind having a
disability.
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Faith>>yeah..
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Amber>>this upcoming Bye week will help
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Amber>>I will also go ahead and post the
same type of overviews with links and video clips etc... related to the voice
and other devices
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>yes, more time for review *and organization*
of material will be great.
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>Amber, before we sign off.....
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Hope>>yes, I honestly can say I need more time
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Faith>>what do you mean about more organization?
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>i was unable to find the transcripts of
online chats. tell me, yes, once
again, where they are located, please. thanks.
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Amber>>there will also be some mini
activites that will be posted...
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>for all my classes i have a binder and
online portfolio. for this class,
i'm counting on all material to be saved, stored in webct.
after the semester, i'd like easy retrieval of information.
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Amber>>I would like to have them in the
discusion section so we can share and view what others have done rather than
have you post and send for only me to se --does this meet with everyone?
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Hope>>will it be under the discussion section or
assignment section?
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Hope>>yes...it is great to read everyone's thoughts
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>mini activities in discussion threads...got
it. if possible, i prefer not to
open attachments. it's ok..if that
works best for you. i'll open
an attachment.
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Amber>>Ok to answer Tricia and
Grace also asked about the transcripts look in the course outline section --for
example after tonights session I will post right after the date October 7th
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Hope>>tricia...how do you get yours to look so nice?
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Amber>>does that make sense? where I
have listed chat meet in room 1 October 7th 8:30
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Amber>>it will be there
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Hope>>okay thanks!
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>i type everything in frontpage, and steal
the html code from the html tab and paste the code into the discussion window.
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Amber>>perhaps I should make it larger
font or change the color
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Hope>>that's great...I wish I had time to do that...
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Amber>>related to
Hope--I want to make
sure I can most the questions or assignments activites in the dicussion thread
area
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>thanks Amber.
Hope..it's fast!
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Amber>>some people might not want others
to see what they have done
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Amber>>the papers of course will be in
assignment section
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Hope>>okay, thanks for the clarification
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Amber>>Faith and tricia is this OK
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Faith>>yep
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>i see the link to transcripts.
papers will be in assignment--not too clear on that one.
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Amber>>there is also some team/group
work assigned (up now)
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>is anyone interested in starting a thread
about our paper proposals?
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Amber>>and I will post 2-3 weeks ahead
to get us back on track and so Faith if you would like (and if time ) you can
plan ahead of your trip
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Amber>>sound OK
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Amber>>Patricia I think this would be
great can you start it
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Hope>>okay. tricia,
I am game...
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Faith>>i'm doing my paper on comparing new
zealand's IT laws and the us...
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>i'm sure everything will be clear. sure,
i'll start a thread. if i have
specific questions about upcoming assignments...i'll send an email.
ok? Faith, great topic...have fun with it!
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>Hope..i want to know what you look like!
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Amber>>Let me know if you are unable to
view the video clips so I can figure out the compression
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>i should be able to view video clips, one
way or another.
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Hope>>okay I will email you a picture
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Faith>>can you email us all?
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Faith>>
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Amber>>Ok lots to do and learn
about--great discussion ---about many things---:-)
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Hope>>sure
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Amber>>lets call it a night
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Faith>>ok.. so we meet up in 2 weeks?
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Amber>>Hope are you on campus?
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Faith>>fri or
tues?
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Hope>>Yes
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Amber>>yes in 2 weeks
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>ok..good night.
see you online.
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Hope>>in the garage again
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Faith>>tues or
fri?
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Hope>>talk to everyone in the discussion section and
email.. have a good night!
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Amber>>be careful perhaps call for an
escort-- next chats are on Fridays at lunch so you won't have to deal with
campus for awhile
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Faith>>great.. see you all then..
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*-**** Faith left Room1.
Time:Tue Oct 7 21:41:12 2003
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Hope>>okay I will be careful
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Patricia
Kathrine--Ryan>>bye.
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Hope>>bye
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*-**** Hope left Room1. Time:Tue Oct
7 21:41:23 2003
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*-**** Patricia--Kathrine--Ryan left
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Time:Tue Oct 7 21:41:24 2003
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